Update to all the mormon trolls that have been leaving nasty comments. My initial post was tame but I'm tired of being attacked by people who hide behind 'anonymous'. I'm tired of your abuse. NO MORE MR. NICE GAY!
• A common comment is that "gays are sore losers" and that the 'Yes On 8' crowd would have accepted the will of the people and moved on. Except, the facts show you didn't. We do not live in a democracy, rather a Republic (...and to the Republic, for which it stands...) with representative government. The California Assembly and Senate both approved marriage equality. It was a Republican Governor (who supports marriage equality) that vetoed the bill and sent it to the California Supreme Court that was stacked with Republican-appointed judges. The CA Supreme Court ruled in favor of marriage equality. You keep getting defeated yet you don't accept the will of the people-elected government.
• "We don't hate gays." Well, I don't hate mormons, I just despise their fucked up cult that claims to be Christian but isn't. The next time you come to my door spewing your hate, I won't politely tell you I'm not interested. Expect me to heap on some abuse as you have done to me in our Constitutions.
• "I'm practicing my first amendment rights." Good for you. And my first amendment rights allow me to call you out as the religious bigot that you are, even if you can't see it yourself.
• "I'm practicing my first amendment rights." That's fine, as long as your church doesn't. Therein lies the rub. You can't receive tax exempt status while muddling in government affairs. The Brits have already stripped you of your tax exempt status and it won't be long before it happens here, too. The sooner the better.
• "Mormons are just practicing their religion." Everyone's entitled to practice their religion, up until the point where they strip away my equality under the law.
• "Gays already have equal rights." Have you no grasp of history? When African Americans had to drink from separate water fountains, the majority whites couldn't understand why the blacks complained. After all, the water was the same. Even if Domestic Partnerships were the same as Marriage, which they aren't, it would still be separate but equal. That is not acceptable.
• Mormons say that "gays are intolerant" while asking for tolerance. Yet, do you say the same thing to African Americans who ask for tolerance yet don't afford it to the KKK? Or, should Jews have tolerated Nazis? The fact here is that you just don't want to view yourselves in the way we see you...as oppressive devils in the same vein as the KKK and Nazis. The folks in the KKK and Nazis thought they were right and that god was on their side, too. Next time you look in the mirror, think about all the people who think there isn't any difference between you and a Klansman.
• "It's about protecting the word 'marriage' and how my church defines it." Not too long ago, your church also said that polygamy was part of the definition of marriage. I agree that, while some mormon sects (FLDS) still practice it, it has been renounced by the majority. (Except how do you explain being sealed to multiple people in heaven...oh, that is another debate entirely!) The point is that the church of latter-day saints can, and will when it's in its self interest (like Utah statehood), change the definition of marriage. The fact that gay people are excluded shows a willful choice to exclude some members of society. In short, you redefined marriage before, why not now?
• "It's just about the word 'marriage'." Tell that to the people, and unadopted children, in Arkansas where adoption is now for married couples only. Can't get married, can't have a family. So it is about more than the word, it's also about children, adoption, and families.
• "Civil Unions are fine with Elton John." I'll let you in on a little secret. Many, if not most, gay people (myself included) don't even want to get married. It's about being denied the equal right that's the issue.
• "Civil Unions are fine with Elton John." Since when did he ever speak for anyone else.
• "Civil Unions are fine with Elton John." That's his choice. He's also rich enough to hire a gaggle of lawyers to square things away.
• "Civil Unions are fine with Elton John." He also said that America is a racist nation because they voted a black singer off of American Idol. Do you agree with everything he says, or just some things?
• "I have gay friends." No, you don't. You may have gay acquaintances but they aren't friends. If you'll listen to a stranger that preaches to you once a week from the front of a church rather than your friends, you have a funny definition of friend. And while I'm thinking of it, stop redefining the word "friend" to mean someone you can stab in the back the first time they are out of sight.
• "Mormons are being treated like the Jews in Nazi Germany." Sorry, it was gays that were sent to the gas chambers en masse. You don't get to appropriate that.
• "Why are the Mormons being singled out?" First, didn't you see that there was a protest at Saddleback Church last week. That's an evangelical Christian congregation. You know, real Christians. And this Saturday's nationwide protests will be at City Halls. Are you uninformed? Is it just more convenient to leave those facts out? Did the mormon church elders leave that out of the email you received?
• "Why don't gays protest black churches?" In the end, they didn't really matter. Yes, they voted in large percentages in favor of Prop 8 but their voting numbers weren't large enough to change the outcome. If all African American votes were taken out of the election, Prop 8 would have still passed. Latinos didn't make a large enough impact, either. Mormons, too, for that matter. The church of latter-day saints is getting a disproportionate amount of attention because they are imposing Utah views on California with all of their money. It's about the money, people. Get it?
• "You're afraid to protest black churches?" First, stop watching that douchebag Bill O'Reilly. Ummm, could you be any more racist? What, the scary black people that attend black churches are violent and will come out and attack us? Check your racial baggage, please. I know that you don't see many people of color up in Utah or in your temples, but we're quite comfortable with African Americans, thank you very much.
• "Get over it. Majority rules." That sure does feel good when you're in the majority. The fact is that a large majority of people believe that mormons are a crazy, perverse cult that has somehow convinced a whole swath of people to give them 10% of their gross income. Well, we have already started a grass roots campaign to place a Constitutional Amendment on the 2010 California ballot to outlaw mormonism. Tens of thousands have already signed the petitions. That will be a real wake up call for you. How many billions of dollars will the Utah church spend in California to defeat it? Will you be so happy with majority rule then? Will you give up the fight for your rights if the people vote and pass it, or will you seek relief from the Supreme Court to overturn majority rule? You need to think about that.
• We're also considering a proposition to outlaw mormon magic underpants. They are perverse.
Now, because I'm tired of all you mormon trolls, comments have been turned off. This is a personal blog and I really don't give a shit what you think. My readers and I don't have to listened to your fucked up preaching and shaming. Now move along. Don't you have some dead Jews to baptize?
Nationwide protests against the passage of California Proposition 8 are being grass-roots organized for this weekend. Go to
Join The Impact for the location nearest you.
There is going to be a huge rally in NYC outside the Mormon Temple on the UWS this Wednesday so watch the news.
In Orange County, the Mormon Temple in Newport Beach will be the site of a rally on Sunday.
We must expose those whose agenda is to limit the fundamental right of same-sex couples to marry by incorporating their religious beliefs into the California Constitution. The Mormon Church led the support of Proposition 8. This demonstration will show its members:
• We intend to continue this fight for equality until it is won
• Discrimination is harmful to our society in any form
• Our Constitution provides equal protection of fundamental rights to all Californians
WHENSunday, November 16 — 10 a.m.
LOCATIONThe Mormon Temple and Chapel, 2300 Bonita Canyon Dr., at the corner of Bonita Canyon and Prairie Rd., in Newport Beach. Located just West of the 73 toll road; exit Bonita Canyon Dr.; or turn East onto Bonita Canyon Dr. from MacArthur Blvd.
PARKINGWe urge everyone to arrive early and park in the Bonita Canyon Sports Park, which is off Prairie Rd., just opposite St. Matthew’s Catholic Church and across the street from the Mormon Temple. Drive past the ball park to the parking lot on the right. There's also limited street parking.
DO NOT to park at the shopping center at San Miguel and Ford.
BRINGSigns & banners expressing your support for Marriage Equality and Civil Rights, and your outrage at the Yes on 8 Campaign tactics supported by the Mormon Church. American, rainbow and California flags, water, sunscreen, wide-brimmed hat. Dress for a hot, sunny day.
EVENT ORGANIZERSAudrey Prosser
Jeff LeTourneau, ECCO Political Director
Harvey H. Liss, ECCO Vice-Chair
Karen Ellis
Sandra Hartness, Director, HRC
Barbara McMurray
Ed Todeschini, HRC OC Federal Club Co-Chair
Gary Lefevre
Jorge Rodriguez, M.D, President, Board of Directors, AIDS Services Foundation
